Famed Speaker and Professor Michael Eric Dyson debate Sophia Nelson about her stance on gay marriage. He argues that the Bible is not literal therefore cannot be taken or interpreted literally.


He uses verses in Leviticus 20:13, as well as Matthew 5:29, and Matthew 18:9 (And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire) to justify his argument.  


Mr. Dyson actually said that the verse says if your eye offends thee cut it off but that was a misquote, actually what the Bible does say is if your eye offends thee pluck it out.


He argues that those verses are not to be taken literally, but in Israel anciently if a man was found to be engaged in sex with another man they were actually both stoned to death.


So how can it not be literal? Those biblical verses are most certainly literal. Christ states that if thy eye offend thee pluck it out, and that is a literal statement.  And what he means is that if the eye is causing you to sin in a way that can and will ultimately result in death spiritually and you cannot bring that thing under subjection, it is best that you pluck that eye out.


But certainly, God can and will restore that eye when that man or woman is resurrected to Glory. That is a small thing for God to do, and a small thing to sacrifice to attain so much. And a small thing to sacrifice to avoid losing so much.


What is being emphasized is first do everything in your power to overcome the thing that is offending God and you. Which is certainly possible when you have the fear of God in your heart and the holy spirit available empowering you to overcome the sin.


But, if with all that, you still are not able to overcome or get rid of the sin whatever it may be, the eye or some other part of the body, it is better to get rid of that thing as opposed to allowing it to consistently cause you to transgress resulting in condemnation when judged.


Those verses are actually proclamations to the saints, to those that follow and are committed to obeying the commandments and the word of God as a whole. And those verses are to absolutely be taken literally.


What is so disturbing to me is how so many of these self-proclaimed Christians and teachers are so quick to claim to love and represent Christ but in the same breath support homosexuality/lesbianism and homosexual adoption, things that God and Christ despise.


As well as voice their support of hate crimes bills for sexual deviants, and completely deny the validity and authority of God, Christ, and the Bible, by doing so. Mr. Dyson also claims that he has been an ordained Baptist minister for over 30 years.


And my response to that is, if it is in fact true, then you have been versed in an error-filled, biblically inaccurate doctrine for over thirty years, and that probably would explain your absolute ignorance as it relates to scripture.


And based on that you are honestly not qualified to teach or quote the bible in any regard, because you do it from an inaccurate standpoint, which makes your interpretations flawed, wrong, error-filled, and completely off base.


The point is strongly argued by many false self-proclaimed ministers and teachers that Leviticus 20:13 and other verses cannot be taken literally. But why don’t you ask those who were stoned to death under that law if it is literal or not?


Now, because we are no longer under the law of condemnation but under grace when a person stumbles in that regard they are not to be stoned to death or put to death but they are to confess their sin before God. They are then forgiven and then they are to be about the business of working to correct and bring under subjection that thing or problem that greatly offends God, what ever it may be.


Mr. Dyson says verses like Leviticus 20:13 are not to be taken literally but these were laws that ancient Israel imposed and enforced with deadly seriousness, notice in St John 8:3-12. They were clearly about to stone this woman to death who was caught in the act of adultery. But Mr. Dyson claims that the Bible is not literal!?

Notice how Christ is presented with and deals with this dilemma.


John 8:3-12

King James Version (KJV)

3 And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto him a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst,

4 They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act.

5 Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou?

6 This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not.

7 So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.

8 And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground.

9 And they which heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst.

10 When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee?

11 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.


Also, notice how Paul emphasizes how anyone that despised the law of Moses was put to death under two or three witnesses. The law of death, punishment, and or condemnation, which is what Israel enforced anciently with deadly seriousness is further confirmed here.


Hebrews 10:28

28 He that despised Moses’ law died without mercy under two or three witnesses.


Now notice what Christ instructed the woman to do in verse eleven “go and sin no more”.The act of grace being in full effect, but Christ also making it clear that the grace shown was not a license to continue in sin.


Grace is provided as a free unmerited favor to overcome the sin in this life so as not to be condemned for that sin in a future judgment. And grace has never nor will it ever be a license to sin notice

Jude 1:4

King James Version (KJV)

4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ

Christ actually instructed the woman to go and sin no more. He also emphasizes in other verses where he showed this type of grace and mercy to go and sin no more unless a greater more serious punishment comes upon you.


John 5:15

Later Jesus found him at the temple and said to him, “See, you are well again. Stop sinning or something worse may happen to you.

But what exactly is he saying when he says before something worse comes upon you? A spiritual destruction is what is being emphasized, something that will be the result of continuing in the sin. This is what is being emphasized, something that is clearly outlined by the word of God. Actually believing that grace is a license to sin results in condemnation when judged, something that is again clearly outlined by the word of God

Notice Jude 1:4

New International Version (NIV)

4 For certain individuals whose condemnation was written about long ago have secretly slipped in among you. They are ungodly people, who pervert the grace of our God into a license for immorality and deny Jesus Christ our only Sovereign and Lord.



Notice Hebrews 10:26-31

26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

28 He that despised Moses’ law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:

29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

30 For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.

31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.



Also, Notice

Hebrews 6:6-8

King James Version (KJV)

6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

7 For the earth which drinketh in the rain that cometh oft upon it, and bringeth forth herbs meet for them by whom it is dressed, receiveth blessing from God:

8 But that which beareth thorns and briers is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned.



Also, Notice

John 5:28-29

New International Version (NIV)

28 “Do not be amazed at this, for a time is coming when all who are in their graves will hear his voice 29 and come out—those who have done what is good will rise to live, and those who have done what is evil will rise to be condemned.

These verses are most certainly literal Mr. Dyson and these things are to be taken literally something that is clearly proven by the word of God.


But because we are no longer under the law of condemnation when this type of sin occurs as it relates to the servants of God those who are struggling to overcome certain sinful traits and behaviors, they are not to be dealt with under the terms of the old law but grace is to be applied while that person works diligently to overcome the offense whatever it may be.


God will execute the punishment phase in the judgment if these individuals continue to disobey clear biblical instruction and willfully sin, something Christ himself further elaborates on in

Matthew 13:49-50

New International Version (NIV)

49 This is how it will be at the end of the age. The angels will come and separate the wicked from the righteous 50 and throw them into the blazing furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.



Matthew 23:32-33

New International Version (NIV)

32 Go ahead, then, and complete what your ancestors started!

33 “You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell?



John 12:48

New International Version (NIV)

48 There is a judge for the one who rejects me and does not accept my words; the very words I have spoken will condemn them at the last day.


John 15:22

New International Version (NIV)

22 If I had not come and spoken to them, they would not be guilty of sin; but now they have no excuse for their sin.


Also Notice Pauls Words


Romans 1:18-32

English Standard Version (ESV)

God’s Wrath on Unrighteousness.

18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth. 19 For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. 20 For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse. 21 For although they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking, and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Claiming to be wise, they became fools, 23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling mortal man and birds and animals and creeping things.

24 Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves, 25 because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever! Amen.

26 For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; 27 and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error.

28 And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done. 29 They were filled with all manner of unrighteousness, evil, covetousness, malice. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, maliciousness. They are gossips, 30 slanderers, haters of God, insolent, haughty, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, 31 foolish, faithless, heartless, ruthless. 32 Though they know God’s righteous decree that those who practice such things deserve to die, they not only do them but give approval to those who practice them.



Notice Romans 2:6-10

King James Version (KJV)

6 Who will render to every man according to his deeds:

7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:

8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,

9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;

10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile.




Romans 2:11-16

English Standard Version (ESV)


11 For God shows no partiality. 12 For all who have sinned without the law will also perish without the law, and all who have sinned under the law will be judged by the law. 13 For it is not the hearers of the law who are righteous before God, but the doers of the law who will be justified. 14 For when Gentiles, who do not have the law, by nature do what the law requires, they are a law to themselves, even though they do not have the law. 15 They show that the work of the law is written on their hearts, while their conscience also bears witness, and their conflicting thoughts accuse or even excuse them 16 on that day when, according to my gospel, God judges the secrets of men by Christ Jesus.

Mr. Dyson, you are completely wrong, and in total error in terms of your interpretation of scripture. And I would advise you as I have advised others out of concern for you, talk about what you know because you obviously have no knowledge and or real understanding of scripture and like so many others you willfully twist and distort scripture to justify behavior that is clearly condemned by scripture Leviticus 18:22, Leviticus 20:13, Romans 1:26-32, Jude 1:7 , Jude 1:14-18.
You twist and distort scripture and teach these flawed, error-filled fables, to justify ungodly behavior as so many others do, to your own destruction.

2 Corinthians 11:13-15

New International Version (NIV)

13 For such people are false apostles, deceitful workers, masquerading as apostles of Christ. 14 And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. 15 It is not surprising, then, if his servants also masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve.


2 Peter 2:1-3

New International Version (NIV)

False Teachers and Their Destruction.

1 But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them —bringing swift destruction on themselves. 2 Many will follow their depraved conduct and will bring the way of truth into disrepute. 3 In their greed these teachers will exploit you with fabricated stories. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.


James 3:1

New International Version (NIV)

1Not many of you should become teachers, my fellow believers, because you know that we who teach will be judged more strictly.

Respectfully my advice to you Mr. Dyson is to bridle your tongue and stick to issues that you are knowledgeable about and those issues are obviously not in relation to the Bible, and leave Bible teaching to those that live it and truly understand it.


By Donald Bohanon


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